One Residence

One Residence, a residential property development by Ideal Property Development Sdn Bhd, sited on over 100-acre of freehold land in the fast growing township of Sungai Ara, Penang.

One Residence is a gated and guarded community comprises Sathu Terrace 182 units of 2-storey terrace house, Dua Villas 135 units of 2-storey terrace house and Tree Residency 316 units of 2-storey terrace and semi-detached house. The phase one terrace house has a land area measuring 22' x 75' and a built-up area ranging from 1,650 to 2,550 sq.ft.

Property Project : One Residence
Location : Sungai Ara, Penang
Property Type : 2-Storey Terrace
Tenure : Freehold
Land Area : 22' x 75'
Built-up Area : 1,650 - 2,550 sq.ft.
Developer : Ideal Property Development Sdn Bhd (JV with Koperasi Tunas Muda)

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November 13, 2009 at 9:54 PMUnknown: I am not sure about the loan. But what I'm sure is you can go get the brochure from the sales office and see the layout plan.

Many of us can recognize the pictures in the brochures represent other housing development like the Sri Tanjung Pinang. What a shame the developer agreed to use such pictures.

The brochure also state the kind of facilities available in the gate compound.

Show house expected to be open on 21 Nov. But I guess this might be delayed again because the last time I was told by the sales person, it was supposed to be in early November.
November 14, 2009 at 9:56 AMUnknown: Can someone who has the brochure share the list of facilities? I heard something like cycling track, pools, gym from sale person, but don't know how true is that. :)
November 14, 2009 at 2:53 PMYeoh: All the facilities had stated down in draft S&P. Can get the draft S&P from your sales person.
November 15, 2009 at 12:44 AMUnknown: do you know why have a big mosque inside this project? because of this 2 developer are malay's. just have a look the sungai tiram new double story by koperasi tunas mudah also have a surau,between the low cost flat, apartment and double story houses. you can take a look is that call surau or mosque. good luck to you all that buy this project. actually not only this project have "gangster" sp setia also got "gangster" pao.
November 15, 2009 at 10:55 AMVoice: I hate to see comments and critics about English.

Pls stop doing so as it's not a platform it was meant to be.

Why so "hau lian" about your English, just focus on one's comment about the property.

If you want to show off your English, go work for CNN or CNBC as a news broadcaster.
November 15, 2009 at 11:36 AMTrek: Hello people, the late uncle Lim of Genting Group don't speak good english also...language is just a tool for us to communicate. Speaking good english or not what's the big deal?

Back to the topic of this forum, anyone been visited the show house lately?
November 15, 2009 at 11:48 AMTrek: Hello TheOne, i not sure about the gym facilities (as it was not mentioned by the sales) but you may want to refer news example :
http://penanginternationalcity.blogspot.com/2009_09_01_archive.html
November 15, 2009 at 1:21 PMYeoh: Draft copy S&P did mentioned got gymnasium facility.

Please refer draft S&P page 14.

a) List and desciption of common facilities serving the said housing development.
i) Children Play Ground
ii) BBQ Area
iii) Landscape Garden
iv) Perimeter Fencing
v) Cycling Track

b) List and desciption of services provided.
i) Security
ii) Swimming & Wading pool
iii) Community Hall
iv) Gymnasium
v) Guard House
vi) Touch & Go Card Reader Bearer System
November 15, 2009 at 2:23 PMUnknown: Thanks Trek and Sathu for the info.
Not bad, I like the idea of low dense with sufficient facilities. :)

Yes, I agree that we should not comment on someone english here. English good or bad doesn't mean anything.

Still, I am curios on the courtyard and the yard design. Will the courtyard design similar to Sunway Bukit Gambir courtyard design? Is the yard sheltered? Look forward to find this out from the show unit. :)
November 15, 2009 at 2:27 PMconcern: Yes both of you are right(Voice & Trek), "University Graduate" spend few hundred thousand, money & years in University at the end they also as salary earner and works with this people call "don't speak good or written english" ha3 so funny ah!, so you guy out there don't too arrogance. Lets concentrate on main topic, ignore those who feel their english very good. Good also salary earner not businessman, have to be yes man! yes boss!
November 15, 2009 at 8:10 PMUnknown: I have checked with the sale office last week and they said there's no big mosque being build in this project. Janice, where did you get your info?

How do we know if this project is under gangster contractor? Anyway to find out?
November 17, 2009 at 1:22 PMYeoh: Just received SMS from Ideal.

Show unit is ready for viewing on 25th to 28th Nov 09 (Wed to Sat), time from 11.00am to 7.30pm. SPA signing due date has been extended to 5th Dec (Sat).
November 17, 2009 at 10:52 PMFence: Any news on loan packages and panel banks?
November 17, 2009 at 11:51 PMYeoh: PBB already got the package but how true is that not sure.
November 18, 2009 at 12:04 AMUnknown: Anyone knows why the show unit is only open for viewing for a limited period (25-28 Nov)? Normally, show units are open until all units are 100% sold out. Just like to have more opportunities to view after 28Nov.
November 18, 2009 at 11:50 AMRookie: Anyone knows the package offered by PBB?
November 18, 2009 at 7:05 PMYeoh: I heard is 1st year 0% and the rest of tenures BLR - 2.2% (non zero moving cost)
November 19, 2009 at 4:19 PMUnknown: Not a good deal considering the 5 years lock down period starting from the final disbursement and the 3% penalty rate.
November 19, 2009 at 5:13 PMSam: Anyone planning to let go center row unit?? I am willing to pay extra RM30K.
November 19, 2009 at 6:38 PMUnknown: I heard some of the buyers got a letter stating -2.0% only. That's not a good rate, considering previous Zero-Cost loan of ~250K is also at 2.2%.

Do note that it's a 7 year+ lockdown with 3% penalty and that the 0% first year will be towards the interest of the developer, not buyer.

Do we have other choices of banks? I heard foreign banks can go up to -2.4%.
November 19, 2009 at 6:56 PMYeoh: which foreign bank? HSBC or UOB? I heard that this 2 foreign banks are one of the panel.
November 19, 2009 at 11:58 PMUnknown: I found a website (http://ehome.kpkt.gov.my/ehome/ehomebi/informasi/faqrumah.cfm) from the Home Ministry that stated it is illegal for developers to force the 10% payment if S&P is not signed.

The English language in that website is simply unbelievable!
November 20, 2009 at 3:24 PMTrek: I wonder shall buyer bring along camera?, as i was told "what you see is what you get". So taking down some photos may help to cut down unecessary argument in future...
November 21, 2009 at 6:18 PMUnknown: Good one Trek! But don't think the verbal words are legally binding :)
November 22, 2009 at 5:06 PMUnknown: Went to the site today. The show houses are almost ready. They look exactly like the pictures shown in this blog. Looks great! :)
Hopefully the interior is not disappointing as well..
November 24, 2009 at 12:18 AMUnknown: The show units would only be opened to people who booked the units from 25 - 28 Nov. After that, it would only be opened via appointment. The team is now concentrating on selling the upcoming phase 2 in mid December.

But it is really interesting to know why only open from 25-28 Nov. And all buyers must pay up the 10% by 5 Dec.

Seems like the developer is dictating a lot of things that is not very customer-friendly. So, having the gangster contractor or shoddy work from this project in the near future .. a very real possibility? I am truly worried. With this blog shaming the developer in many ways especially for their past projects, I really wonder why the developer decides to continues its consistent quest of putting customer experience at the back seat.

I am a buyer of this project. But not a very happy buyer.
November 24, 2009 at 8:42 AMUnknown: Hi All .... Anyone plan to create or already created a dedicated blog for One Residence? We can share photos and as well have some great discussion there. :)
November 24, 2009 at 9:08 AMUnknown: I have just passed by the site. The show unit looks good from external. I personally like the outlook of the house. Not sure about internal and quality. Keep my finger crossed.

I guess the reason the show units are open for 4 days and only allow buyer to view is because the developer has not get the APDL. Do not want any untowards (safety) things to happen as this will hamper the effort to get the approval. If they are to open the show unit everyday, they will have to spend extra on security and sales officer.(safe money). Just my 2 cents.
November 24, 2009 at 11:20 AMUnknown: If the gangster contractor issue continues to haunt Ideal's projects, this surely indicates the developers' lack of ethics in their quest to enrich themselves. I believe all buyers should make a point to the developer that we don't condone this practice. Collectively, we’ll be able to send a strong and clear message to them.
November 24, 2009 at 11:33 AMUnknown: Hi Suer,

Agree with you. Why don't we do it this way. All buyer of 1R. Please call up Ideal gallery. Tell them we are not able to accept gangster contractor in 1R. We have heard of too many Ideal project being dominated by gangster contractor. Ask them for written assurance.
Pls do it for our own sake.
November 24, 2009 at 2:55 PMUnknown: I think there shouldn’t be any Gangster contractor in this project due to 2 main reasons
-Landed and guarded (hard for them to track owner). Otherwise what is the point having security guard?
-Formerly Malay Kampung (usually these gangster or we called it snakehead is Chinese gangster)

For apartment/condo they can extort and disturb your contractor by controlling the lift and blocking your lorry etc. for landed it is difficult.
I have seen before in normal DST Taman Tunas Damai whereby those houses refused will be splash with red paint.

On quality of the showhouse….i think it is not fair to judge as your future house because IDEAL rush it for buyer. Importantly is the layout, elect points, the structural design, etc. The rest is pasted with your money.
Let’s see how it looks like tomorrow.
November 25, 2009 at 10:23 AMUnknown: Almost all non-bumi units are sold and heard that there is a long waiting list. For developer, it is normal that they want to secure sale as early as possible. For buyers who are non high-risk taker - advise to go back to developer only after they get APDL (if units are still available). Frankly, many projects that has APDL are found to be abandoned. Most important is WHAT WE SEE IS WHAT WE GET!
November 25, 2009 at 3:48 PMGasman: Went to see the showhouse, quite impressed with it. Spacious and bright, even for intermediate unit cos of the light from the roof. Big masterbedroom and individual bath/toilet for the two back rooms. If they stick to 'wht u see is wht u get' I have no complaints.
November 25, 2009 at 6:08 PMAnonymous: Impressed with overall look. It is even better than SP Setia, no complaints if we get what we see..
November 25, 2009 at 7:18 PMUnknown: Just came back from the showhouse. Overall quite happy with how it looks. Living hall and dining area is big enough for me. Masterbed room is very spacious. Just that the kitchen is abit small. If only we could enclose the backyard and use it as wet kitchen. That will be great.

Double storey is still my preference because I do not foresee myself wanna to climb to the top floor if I were to bought a 2.5 or 3 storey house. Getting old :)
November 25, 2009 at 7:25 PMRookie: Good to hear that everyone is happy with the show house. Hopefully i will get the same impression when i visit the show house.
November 25, 2009 at 11:42 PMUnknown: Noticed that Type A design on Bedroom 2 & 3 are smaller than Type B. As well as Bathroom 2 & 3. Also, the brochure layout didnt show there's a window for Bedroom 2 & 3. Type A design look strange.
November 25, 2009 at 11:43 PMSam: Went to the showhouse today, It was very impressive. The layout is very good and spacious. This is definitely better than SP Setia Design. 22x75ft really make a whole lot different than I can imagine when I see the actual unit. The Living hall is big enough and I like most is the masterbed room, very spacious. I have to be frank here that the design is better than I expected. Thumbs Up!!
The only complaint I have is the Kitchen is a bit small. I have to agree with Keith if we enclose the backyard as wet Kitchen will be perfect.
November 26, 2009 at 8:26 AMYeoh: Agreed, the kitchen quite small but I found another thing that is all the rooms without "skirting" only at living hall with that.
November 26, 2009 at 9:53 AMUnknown: Yeap. The kitchen is quite small. It would be nice if the "utility room" can be taken away. Not sure can ask Ideal not to build the utility room?
November 26, 2009 at 10:02 AMUnknown: Agreed. First impression when step in the showhouse...spacious!
Don't understand the backyard design with half wall and the 'door'. So owners will put the 'door' and grill themselves?
November 26, 2009 at 2:22 PMUnknown: My understanding from the sale person at the show house is that we cannot build a gate/door at the courtyard as we feel like it because any changes to the exterior of the house will require approval from the management. The courtyard also doesn't come with roofing which mean we cannot make it as a wet kitchen. We should try to convince the developer to change the design of the courtyard to build-in roofing and gate/door at the courtyard. What do you all think?
November 26, 2009 at 4:59 PMUnknown: You should check the storeroom under the staircase. Not sure how much Ideal can save by putting cemented flooring. Something we should push for ideal to change to tiles.
November 26, 2009 at 5:31 PMUnknown: regarding backyard doesn't come with roofing, answered from sale person that owners can put the roof themselves but they will also propose some design/quideline and hope every buyers can follow.
November 26, 2009 at 5:47 PMUnknown: Hi Suer,

Do you wanna take the lead to suggest a place and time for buyer to assemble and discuss on some of suggestion before signing of SPA. After we have sign SPA, I guess the developer wont bother to talk to us anymore

Cheers
November 26, 2009 at 9:02 PMUnknown: I totally agree!

Lets meet Saturday morning at the showhouse to whoever is going and voice the covered kitchen issue out! :)

I'm going!
November 26, 2009 at 9:15 PMUnknown: I can't make it tomorrow. My wish list if you guys can help to bring up:

1. Need floor skirting for all tiled areas.
2. Change cement floor in store-room to tiled flooring.
3. Add bidets in bathrooms
4. Need better workmanship - walls not as smooth as SPI
November 26, 2009 at 9:22 PMUnknown: Brian, though tomorrow's a holiday, it's Saturday. :)

We're talking about big items, like adding the roof to the "garden" which most of us would like to make it a wet kitchen.

I agree with cement tiling in store room and walls not being as smooth. :)
November 26, 2009 at 10:27 PMUnknown: One Terrace,

What time are you going on Saturday? Please specify time and which unit you will be in. do you have a flower with you for us to recognize you easily?!...hehehe ;)
November 27, 2009 at 2:16 PMTM - CGB: i went to the show unit, is spacious especially the master bedroom and family area, but i booked type A.the courtyard location not optimize at all. I suggest the developer and the architect to consider shift the courtyard to the staircase. then the layout is better for the family area. as mentioned earlier by some of the folks, the interior finishing has to do a better job; wall smoothness, staircase railing, store room cemented flooring and balcony railing curb
November 27, 2009 at 2:40 PMUnknown: i agree with TM, i dislike the courtyard, it is a waste of space plus the dining area become so small. there is a wall between the dining and the living, the design got lots of problem. please help to improve. some suggested me to cover the courtyard later. but why not make it a better for us at 1st.
November 27, 2009 at 5:45 PMAltraz: Penang, One Terrace, TM, Cindy- Went to the showhouse today and I do agree with most of the comments posted here.

The interiors and finishing, at least we can still fix. However, the exterior, especially putting a roof over the courtyard area (or wet kitchen) would be hard under Strata.

I heard that the developer will remove the utility room because a lot of buyers are against it. Let's fight for the back courtyard being covered. The open air concept really won't go.

Overall, all the internal things could be hacked & modified to liking, but external would be hard as we are of Strata and not Individual Title.

Let us all voice together to the developer on this concern!

Caroline- You going tomorrow? Can you help plant some flowers at the courtyard or ask for a roof over it? :)

Thanks! :)
November 27, 2009 at 5:49 PMUnknown: The concern for me is that the storeroom under the staircase do not have tiles. Its only a small amount for the developer on such a big housing project. Also, I find that the kitchen is small.

The backyard is funny also. I think this needs to be covered and I'm not sure why with such a modern design, they leave it bare and looking wierd.

Can we actually get the developer to change this?
November 27, 2009 at 6:22 PMUnknown: Altraz,

How you know that the utility room will be removed? if so, it will be great!
I also support on covered backyard.
November 27, 2009 at 8:16 PMAltraz: Keith,

Heard this from another buyer who went after me.

Maybe lets collaboratively feedback to the developer on the covered backyard? Hopefully they can fulfill our wish on this if everyone push for it.

Looking good that they're taking our feedbacks into account! :)
November 27, 2009 at 9:24 PMUnknown: What I meant on my previous post is actually the backyard not the courtyard, sorry for the confusion.

With another buyer, today we voiced out our concern on the lack of roof over the backyard to the sale person again. They promise to bring this to the management.

We can request many things from the developer but we need to be clear to them on what is the priority or the most important thing that need to be fixed first. Example, I agree that the lack of tiles in the store room's floor is undesirable but it can be fixed by the buyer. However, without a roof, the backyard is basically useless and since it's on the exterior of the house, the owner cannot simply make their own roof like what Altraz posted.

Let's continue to voice our concern to the developer to give them the opportunity to show that they care about their customers (hopefully).
November 27, 2009 at 9:32 PMUnknown: Altraz,

I went to the show unit today as I've something urgent to attend to tomorrow. I have been told that we need to refer to the management office of Sathu later for the backyard renovation.

I do support on the covered backyard. The current one really looks abit too lame and weird.

But then I really doubt that Ideal would change the design even though i'm hopeful they will buy the idea :)

Lets keep on bugging them.
November 27, 2009 at 10:03 PMRookie: I think we should prioritize the feedbacks to developer. First is to cover the backyard (utilized as wet kitchen) while second is to remove utility room. Every buyes should feedbacks both suggestions to developer for improvement before signing S&P.
November 28, 2009 at 12:13 AMUnknown: Rookie, good suggestions. Will do my part later.

All buyers, please feedback accordingly b4 signing S&P per Rookie's advice. thanks.
November 28, 2009 at 1:38 AMAltraz: All,

Agreed.

Priority 1: Covered backyard for wet kitchen.
Priority 2: Get rid of the utility room
Priority 3: Others.

Let's work towards that. I'm going tomorrow, will voice this out to the management. Hope all of you can help do the same and support me, Rookie, Caroline & suer.

My email is at altraz@gmail.com. Email me for personal communication(s).

Cheers!
November 28, 2009 at 9:13 AMUnknown: Can we all sign a memorandum and pass to the developer? One collective voice.
November 28, 2009 at 9:32 AMUnknown: Hi,

I will do the same as well. Fellow neighbours, pls help to highlight to the Developer.

Thanks
November 28, 2009 at 9:40 AMAltraz: Sam- Memorandum to developer is good but I'm not sure how we can collectively gather it from all the buyers since everyone here don't know each other, so I guess maybe the best would be to feedback this to the developer, and hopefully they will come up with a voting form or something similar.

As there were no suggestion forms in the showhouse, I feel the best we can do is to feedback this directly to the developer, and if enough people say the same thing, maybe they will take note.

I'm helping out to push this. Hope every other buyer can support and do the same.

Apart from the open backyard and utility, the rest are minor and I'd say the design overall is superb. Just want to make the good design better. :) Gotta give some kudos to the architect also, just that he overlooked the backyard & small kitchen.

Cheers!
November 28, 2009 at 9:55 AMGasman: Hi all, by the utility room, do u mean the big room next to the kitchen? If so, do give a thought to some purchasers who have elderly folks who would need the room as a bedroom for them, I am one of them. Maybe the suggestion would be for them to reduce the size of the room thus giving the kitchen more space.
November 28, 2009 at 10:47 AMAltraz: Utility room is the small room next to the big room. Do look at your layout plan.
November 28, 2009 at 11:30 AMGasman: Altraz, tks for the clarification. I will go have another look at the showhouse today.
November 28, 2009 at 2:04 PMUnknown: I've been told by the sale person that the front road of the house(same row as show unit) is 40ft wide plus another 12ft wide garden between the front road & the fence. But look like the actual don't hv the 12ft garden..a bit disappointed lo...
The built up area is 22'X75', can some one tell me the 22' wide built up area should include the wall? as i found that there is ~10.7 pcs of the porcelain floor tiles. The size of the tiles is 600mm X 600mm. Thus 10.7x600=6420mm, 6420/304.8=21.06ft. It is only 21ft wide. Can someone help to clarify?
If the utility room can be removed & the roof of the back yard is ready built, it will be excellent. Overall, i'm quite satisfy with the design.
November 28, 2009 at 2:16 PMUnknown: Talking about the maintenance fees. Whether it is start to pay after the VP or OC. If pay just after VP, meaning that we've to pay it before moving in. If the developer can free us the 1st year's maintenace fees like other projects offer, it will be good la...hehe..
November 28, 2009 at 2:27 PMUnknown: Hi YP,

22' will include wall. It's how every developer define the size. :)

Do voice out the utility room and roof of backyard to the Developer pls

Cheers. For a better 1R
November 28, 2009 at 2:57 PMUnknown: Hi Keith,
Thanks for your clarification.
Regarding the utility room, oredi feedback to developer. Will voice up the roof of the backyard too.
November 28, 2009 at 3:34 PMGasman: Agree re the removal of utility room. Have voiced it to the developer.
November 28, 2009 at 3:40 PMUnknown: Actually I prefer to have the utility room...
November 28, 2009 at 7:27 PMAdi: I agree if the utility room is removed. For me, it can be opened up to make the kitchen bigger. Currently the kitchen seems like a joke.

For the backyard, there should definitely be covered or enclosed. People might want to put their washing machine and dryers back there.
November 28, 2009 at 8:48 PMRookie: I had feedback the backyard and utility room concern today. The responses are, we are able to cover up the backyard with materials other than concrete (sorry, I'm not familiar with the material name), off course, own expenses. But at least it’s giving us flexibility to create wet kitchen and also place to put the washing machine. For utility room, very unlikely that developer will change the design, as some of the buyers still prefer to use it as maid room.

Besides, for the courtyard, the sales person mentioned there is a lock between ceiling and roof to prevent break in from top. Just a reminder for everyone to lock it.

Overall, I am quite satisfied with the layout design and the polite & patient response from sales person, they are one of the best that I ever met. Great job.
November 28, 2009 at 9:33 PMUnknown: Rookie,

Can you help define what do you mean we can cover up, but its something other than concrete? It only makes sense for us to cover it up with roof tiles.

Strata will make it difficult at the end to put a roof over.

I know the developer & sales staff have been good, but these are the two feedbacks to make them perfect :)
November 28, 2009 at 10:11 PMUnknown: I think they're probably referring to polycarbonate roofing, the semi-transparent type.

Yes I'm thinking of converting the utility room to maid room.
November 28, 2009 at 10:58 PMUnknown: Rookie,

I thought the courtyard bars are made up of concrete? Is there are lock there? I did not ask the salesperson. Btw is there a way for us to climb up and lock it?

I guess the top priority is enclosed backyard. Almost all will agree to it, I hope.

Agree with you that it's will be difficult to get the developer to change utility room. Some people might have lotsa things to store in utility room. However, I personally feels that the utility room is just too small for someone to sleep. No offence. Just personal view.
November 29, 2009 at 12:50 AMRookie: Yes, from the feedbacks, the backyard could be covered by polycarbonate roofing, semi/fully transparent material. At least it could cover for not become real "wet kitching" when raining :)

For the courtyard, there is way to climb up from ceiling which above entrance door of bedroom 2. U can refer to the sales person for details. I am referring to type B design.

Agreed that some buyer plan to use the utility room for maid room, that's why personnally I would say the remove chances will be very minimum.
November 29, 2009 at 8:52 AMUnknown: I can't imagine any could sleep peacefully in the utility room. It's simply too small. I doubt you can open the door once the bed is put in. With no windows (except some ventilation at the top of the door), and walls all around, makes you feel like living in a jail. How depressing. If it is used as a store room, I too think it's too small to keep a lot of things. However, the utility room is pretty high. I'd go for a bigger kitchen design. Go to the show house and try opening the fridge, and the entire kitchen is blocked. Kitchen is the source of joy and inspiration in many household. It's the place where our food is prepared. Good feng shui to have big, roomy kitchen. Lucky those who bought the corner units! Much bigger kitchen.

I agree that we should get the developer to look into somthing more do-able. Here's my list :
1. polycarbonate roofing for the backyard (all 22ft of it, and not just behind the kitchen)
2. a door at the backyard entrance
3. tiles for the storeroom under the stairs
4. free first year of maintenance fee (most people would not have used the facilities anyway as renovation works and looking for the best date to enter house would take several months already)
5. cover the "holes" at the backyard and the balcony (very difficult to maintain and makes the house looks old - like my grandma's 90-year-old house).
6. have proper base to hold the iron railing at the balcony, like having cement skirting the entire balcony with small holes to let the rain water pass through. The current cylinder shape holder looks very, very weird
7. if possible, push the iron railing at the balcony until the end of the porch. Now, it looks semi-finished, especially for the place with cement render.

All the 7 items listed above do not cost much and minimal changes to the design. Developer should look at them for implementation.

I am willing to write to the developer and have as many owners sign on the letter (no need to physically sign if you cannot make it, just put your name, IC and the unit you bought is good enough).

Those interested, please email me at sam.loh1972@gmail.com

About the house - I just love the design, externally and internally. Much, much better than SP Setia. There were 2 SP Setia owners at the show house yesterday and they were saying to the sales people how they wished they knew 1 Residence project earlier and would have bought it anytime compared to SP Setia, even if the price is higher. The materials used for the maindoor, all the other doors, windows and the bathrooms are of good quality.
I particularly like the 2 sinks given in the masterbedroom and the quality shower heads.
Ceiling height tiles for kitchen and bathrooms are really welcoming!

Has anyone signed the S&P already?
November 29, 2009 at 10:21 AMUnknown: Sam,

You have my support. I will email you the details. In fact, I have a few friends buying the 1Ras well. I will get them to send you the details as well.

Cheers
November 29, 2009 at 12:21 PMAltraz: Sam,

Agree with most of your suggestions. However, the main thing I'm interested in is a full cover for the backyard. Everyone have their own opinion, but I believe a fully covered backyard would protect my washer/ electrical appliances from the hot sun everyday as well as cooking for lunch in the middle of the hot sun preventable.

Though a roof is better than nothing, I believe if we're pushing, might as well go all out for it rather than making things we might regret later.

I'm looking for a covered backyard, along with others that benefit the buyers (tiles under the stairs, free maintenance, etc) but I sincerely doubt that it will go through since most already agree with the terms set forth. Wishful thinking though.

Minor things like a proper base for the railings are worth a push though.

As for design changes, such as railing to the end of the porch, that might be subjective as everyone's taste is different.

My main concern now is for a FULLY covered backyard, the rest are minor and a boon if it goes through. (Transparent roofing makes a good greenhouse garden, not a good wet kitchen for cooking lunch in the mid hot sun). Utility room is my second.

If your petition is putting those as the top 2, then I'm on your side for it. :)

Cheers!
altraz@gmail.com
November 29, 2009 at 12:42 PMAdi: Sam,

Nice comments.
1) I do agree that the utility room is too small for a human to live and sleep in there. Maid is also human by the way (no offense). If you ask the maid to look after your family and your property, but treat the maid like shit, it will be returned back to you sooner or later, either you know it or not.

2) I agree on most of your suggestion, except no. 7 where I like the additional buffer after the railing. It is good for small kids. They tent to climb a lot, but they have sense of heights on the edge.

3) For the covering of the backyard, I think it is quite hard for the developer to add roofing that extent the common garden. Instead you should insist on the enclosure (like a normal window) but can be open upwards and closed again (instead of sideways like normal glass windows).

4) I noticed one possible inconsistency in the brochure I got from the show house. The "Stairs" is put as a "Timber block on reinforced concrete stairs".
I don't see any timber on the stairs .... ???. Do I missed anything here?

5) In the brochure also, the "Fencing" is put as "1200mm high wall fencing". Just don't be fool by the big numbers, its only 1.2 meters. Huh what? ... I can just simply jump over it. We need to be sure and check with the developer that the Fencing maximum height should not be only 1.2 meters! If so, it will be a real joke.

6) For the road intersection that cross the common garden of Type B units, I prefer it not to be implemented. Since this is enclosed community, all residents should already know their way to their own units and make proper navigation at the beginning (including for Guests). The road intersection there is a safety hazard for kids when playing across garden, especially on bicycles. If you are a parent, shouldn't it be a concerns if your kid or family need to cross a road while cycling or jogging? Plus you will get non interrupted jogging / cycle track without a road crossing in between :)

A formal letter need to be written to the developer to make effect of any feedback. Verbal communication usually end up on deaf ears.
We can start from making an online vote that owners can vote and pass it to the developers. Then a written consent can follow afterward.

Lets do our best to get the best out of our community!
November 29, 2009 at 12:56 PMUnknown: I have to admit Altraz pointed out what I would like to say.

1) Fully covered backyard
2) Remove utility to make way for kitchen + (guestroom - possible)

The rest are bonus.
November 29, 2009 at 5:22 PMAdi: Better still, if the road intersection (crossing Type B units) is removed, that area can be made an additional playground and bigger garden for residents to socialize. Since this community is elongated shape, so the leisure areas should be distributed, and not only concentrated at the end of one side of the community.
This would also offload the possible congestion in the club house.
I think this would not cost the developer that much, and they don't have to maintain that road. Plus reducing the possibility of accidents happening.
November 29, 2009 at 11:13 PMUnknown: I went back and looked at one RM300K project in Butterworth and if the area is >2% deviation from what's promised, the penalty price is RM 386. If you compare the BU sq ft they give you and the penalty price, it makes sense.

As per our clause 12 (Position and area of Parcel), if it deviates, you only get back RM200. The amount you pay is RM393 per sq ft (Considering purchase price of RM650K, and 1650sq ft at 22X75.

Thus, if the developer gives you 100sq ft less, they will only compensate 20K back to you, but you but you've already paid RM39.3K for it.

The clause don't really protect you, does it? Go have a look back at your SPA. Wondering why they set it at 200 and not the purchase price of RM393. Anyone raised this up?
November 29, 2009 at 11:40 PMUnknown: I'm a buyer for Type A. 3 things that my need request to developer are

1) Covered backyard
2) Move the Coutyard near to staircase (Prefer Courtyard same as Type B)
3) Move the Master Bedroom's Bathroom same as Type B for better air circulation.

Does anybody here buying Type A ? Don't you have concern about the Courtyard & Master's Bathroom design ? I've feedback to 1R salesperson that to change the whole 1st floor layout follow as Type B (Type B layout look spacious). Feedback from salesperson that difficult to change layout now. I've heard that if developer yet obtain floor plan approval they still can change the layout. (Not sure how true is this)

Need someone willing to write to management for Type A.
November 30, 2009 at 11:22 AMUnknown: Just come across my mind….

Besides all the attention to the internal design and layout, have anyone raised concern on the structural strength against earthquake?

Even though the risk is very minimal due to the fact is this is not high rise building and sitting on flat land (dun worry SP setia slopes is also quite far away before reaching the wall of 1-R in any case), the increase of tremor and the intensity of the earthquake (fyi, even Kuala Pilah was reported have earthquake recently) nowadays have shaken Penang more than ever. I don’t want to get too details into tremor and statistics…..as I think we can leave it to fate for the rest.

However we should know what our house can withstand at what level of Richter scale?
Can IDEAL help to reinforce the structure beyond the industry norm as I heard that Msian standard is not very high as by record no building have fail any tremors in Msia. Any civil and structural engineer here?
November 30, 2009 at 1:16 PMUnknown: Hi All,

Since Sam is kind enough to take the lead to draft a letter to Ideal, why not you guys send him an email at sam.loh1972@gmail.com if you do support his suggestion. If you think that there are some details need to be modified, please write to him so that he could take into consideration while he is drafting the letter.

I can see that we are getting out of the initial topic. We need to have one voice else is very hard for Ideal to entertain so many requests.
November 30, 2009 at 2:58 PM~VIVA~: Hi Jack, I am a buyer for Type A too.

I support all your points. I am a little bit dissapointed when they told me there is no show unit available for type A.

When I booked the unit, I was told by the sale person that the layout is the same except the backyard is 5ft longer. I didn't aware there is still a lot of different between the two until reviewing the layout plan.

It is hard to visualize how the type A (escpecially the courtyard and master bedroom) will look like.

There are still a lot of feedback on type B although I thought the layout of type B is quite perfect (except the small kitchen). Imagine the type A buyer can only see the house when it is ready, I am sure there will be something out of our expectation.

I hope the signing date for type A buyer can be delayed until we see the show unit on type A. Maybe we should voice this up to Ideal management if you think this makes sense.
November 30, 2009 at 3:40 PMYeoh: yes, me too Type A owner :-(
November 30, 2009 at 3:42 PMUnknown: Hi Type A buyers, dont think you get to delay the signing cos sales ppl informed they will refund payment to all those not signing by 5th Dec. Long waiting list also. Maybe they can improve on the design i.e. make the courtyard smaller and have a bigger family area. As for toilet, the position is almost the same as Type B corner unit i.e. located in the middle of the house. Some selected this because of fungshui, dont want toilet at the entrance.

Also to speculator, checked with Ideal. they do not allow transfer unless the person is related and have to give evident also. Good that Ideal does not allow speculation like other developer. At least genuine buyer can buy at developer's price.
November 30, 2009 at 5:37 PMAltraz: Hi all, 1RforAll bought up a very good point. I'm very concerned on the recent tremors (especially after watching 2012), and I think this should made known but I doubt they're doing anything out the ordinary, worth a shot though.

Sam,

To reiterate again, I'm looking for:
1) Covered Backyard (not semi transparent only)
2) Removal of utility room
3) Structural strength (Earthquake resistant?)
4) Concerns 1-6. (I like my balcony the way it is)

I have emailed you at sam.loh1972@gmail.com. Do email me back if you're drafting out on the following.

Thanks!
altraz@gmail.com
November 30, 2009 at 7:30 PMUnknown: Hi all,
So far I got about 6 or 7 people who emailed me. I'll send you a draft copy tomorrow.

Hi Altraz,
I'll put covered backyard as option 1 and if that is not fulfillable, then at least consider polycarbonate roofting.

I'm not considering putting the removal of utility room because some mentioned they wanted it. Furthermore, if the layout plan has been submitted for approval, a revision will cause a lot of hassle and costs (enriching the architect). This will also cause delay to the start of the construction.

Structural strength - they will meet the requirements set as the Civil engineers and Architect will need to approve them. But I believe it will not need to be earthquake proof. I do not think Komtar is earthquake proof too. Only bridges and flyovers need to be vibration proof. And I think only the Penang bridge was built to absorb 7 on richter scale.

If we have a terrorist bombing incident in Penang, then everyone will think about bomb-proofing the house ;o)
November 30, 2009 at 7:47 PM90mm F2.8 Macro: the type A courtyard is totally out of place; not to mention there is a wall that covers the courtyard from the living room; looking from the living room towards the dining area there is a weird 3 ~ 4 feet opening. The type B has a better open layout, which also makes the house looks larger. while at the top level, the courtyard is so unsafe. imagine those with kids/toddlers/babies, they will be so worried about the courtyard opening as well as staircase opening.

Sam, will you be compiling type A and B requests/feedbacks to the developer? if yes i'll email you my wish list too.
November 30, 2009 at 8:39 PMAltraz: Sam & neighbours of Sathu Terrace,

I have about 5 buyer friends and a possible 6 of their colleagues that would like:

1) A FULLY COVERED backyard (not a transparent one). eg. Try cooking lunch under the transparent afternoon sun or leave your washer out to the sun everyday.

2) The OPTION to remove the utility room.

I don't understand your concern whereby covering up the backyard would be easier but removal of the utility room would cater for a plan resubmission. It should be the reverse.

Do understand that after completion, you could probably hack down your utility room but extending putting a roof over the backyard would be more difficult.

1RforAll is concern is asking IF the developer meets/exceeds the requirements on structural strength. Being a Malaysian, you should know by now that there are very VIVID ways with our government that one can pass through with approval WITHOUT a sound structural plan. Hence the concern.

To me, these are the two main concerns from this forum. Others quite minor and are a bit one sided as it will eat into the developers profit margin without giving them a win-win situation. It will be a difficult push and dilute their focus & attention, especially when they have Phase 2 buyers to worry about.

As possible future neighbours of the community, it is my hope to maintain our goodwill, especially at this early stage, despite each and everyone of us being unique and hence the difference in our opinions and preferences.

However, if your request to the developer does not encompass the two above, I will regretfully proceed with my own petition which I believe will have sufficient buyers backing me up. I do understand that a few bloggers here share the same opinion.

I’d suggest that don’t confuse the developer with main agenda and personal preferences. Have to understand that they’re building a phase, not a customized bungalow for everyone of us. They could just say “Take it or leave it, I have XXX people on the waiting list if you don’t want the unit”, but they’re being nice and we shouldn’t go overboard on our requests. There’s a lot of things we can renovate ourselves.

I will submit only these two as MAIN concerns when signing my SPA this week if the situation remains and things don’t change. I will include the other concerns from this forum such as structural strength, tiles under the staircase, etc as a “good to have”. Feel free to hop in.

Sincerely,
altraz@gmail.com
November 30, 2009 at 9:09 PMUnknown: Hi Sam,

I spoke to one of the Ideal senior manager last week about the small kitchen, and I was told that they're considering to remove the Utility Room depending on the overall feedback, as such I don't think we need to worry about the hassle for them to make the changes.

Besides, I think most of the comments are supportive of removing the Utility Room, more so when there is already a store room under the stairway.

I totally agree that the Utility Room is not meant for maid room as it has no window, and too small for even a single bed. I don't think anyone wants to have a maid who become KUKU, and start to be harmful to the family.

So... removing the Utility Room for a bigger Kitchen is what I would like to go for.
November 30, 2009 at 10:07 PMUnknown: 90mm - I agree with you.

Hi Sam, I'll send you my info if you wish to compile for Type A as well...Thanks ~~ :)
November 30, 2009 at 10:11 PMUnknown: Hi All 1R Buyer,

I would like to bring to your attention that other than the Enclosed Backyard and Removal of Utility Room, there is another BIG concern that I have just found out. I have a few pictures from a buyer that show the photos of the polycarbonate cover above the courtyard. To our surprise, the courtyard opening is not fully covered. The gap will expose our house to birds, mice, insects or even rain drop. If anyone of you could not imagine what I am trying to describe, pls email me for the photos. FYI, my friend has already confirmed this with Ideal that the gap is for ventilation purpose.

Sam,
Pls put this as one of the priority in the wish list.

This is my email sathuterrace@gmail.com
November 30, 2009 at 10:48 PMAdi: Hi,

By the way I just had a conversion with the GM just now (because I went to the show house by appointment this evening for the reservation confirmation) regarding the covered backyard and the utility room.

They are actually considering the 2 possibility, and at the current moment, the condition is:
1) Backyard - They now considering to put the covering and/or roofing. However, if so, then it is very likely will be an additional cost to bare by the owners. They are consulting with the architect on this how to add this to the design.
2) Utility room - They can remove it for free and upgrade the tile to be the same as the surrounding tiles.

So you can go ahead to submit the feedback to make if formal, its better that way.
November 30, 2009 at 10:59 PMAltraz: Thanks for everything, Adi :D
November 30, 2009 at 11:56 PMUnknown: Great feedback. Those who have emailed to me, I'll send you a copy of the drafted proposals to Ideal. I'll incorporate the proper roofting at backyard, removal of utility room, the gap of the polycarbonate rooftings and the concerns for Type A.

Please email me at sam.loh1972@gmail.com so that I can send the draft to you.
December 1, 2009 at 12:12 AMUnknown: Dear ALL,
One other thing - when I send the drafted copy to those who emailed me, I am going to INCLUDE your:
1. Name
2. Email Address
3. Unit Number

If you do not wish to have the details in the drafted copy, please email and let me know before 5pm tomorrow.

Those who did not provide me the details, you can email me or fill up the info when I send you the draft. I believe we need these minimal info in the memo to the developer for them to take it seriously.

Thanks.
December 1, 2009 at 12:06 PMUnknown: is there any tap on the balcony? this is necessary for cleaning.
December 1, 2009 at 2:54 PMSJJ: I heard some owners have already written to the top management about changing their type A floor plan to type B's. Those who wish to do the same pls find out from Ideal office if you wish to join the list.
December 1, 2009 at 3:08 PMAnonymous: I noticed that in the balcony area, there is little privacy. A very short partition with lots of holes separates your house from the next pair. Plus the 'holey wall is so short that one can also stand at the balcony railing and easily watch what is going on at the other balcony (not your pair but the next set)imagine being able to peep over to each other so easily. that means you probably won't want to open your master bedroom door/window/curtain.
December 1, 2009 at 3:30 PMDuaVillas: O that upstair balcony holey wall seems to be between corner house and neighbour. Between one pair and the next, seems to be no wall at the balcony. Check out from the whole row picture near top of page.
December 1, 2009 at 3:33 PMAdi: Yes. From what I see, the 'hole' is when you are adjacent with a corner units because corners have lands both sides of the house.
December 1, 2009 at 3:41 PMDuaVillas: For intermediate ones, between 1 pair and the next, only have air. Means from room also can see and chit chat with neighbour on balcony. Aiya, be careful when you come out from your bathroom if you forget to close door/window/curtain to balcony .....
December 1, 2009 at 3:52 PMUnknown: Actually, the holey wall reminds me of my grandmother house. :) Maybe it's old design revived as new trend. Or maybe the designer is trying to find back his/her childhood memory.

If someone been to I-Regency, you will notice there is very minor holey wall touch as well.
December 1, 2009 at 4:07 PMUnknown: Any way the developer increase privacy between Master Bedrooms? They intending to cover up the "holes"?

Being nice to your neighbour is one thing, but exposing more than necessary is another :)
December 1, 2009 at 4:21 PMDuaVillas: I went to see showhouse again from outside and confirm the holey wall is short only and does not extend to whole side length of balcony.
This developer and I-regency same boss so probably uses same architect who loves holes.
And to the person who asked, balcony does not have tap. You can carry water from master bathroom out to wash balcony.
December 1, 2009 at 4:24 PMUnknown: That sucks for the balcony. :(

Did anyone feedback this to the developer?
December 1, 2009 at 4:25 PMUnknown: That sucks for the balcony. :(

Anyone made this known to the developer?

Thanks!
December 1, 2009 at 5:18 PMwinnie: Can someone pls send me the floor plan? Thanks.
December 1, 2009 at 5:19 PMwinnie: my email is winniewong11@gmail.com
December 1, 2009 at 5:44 PM~VIVA~: For type A layout, does anyone know how the courtyard look like at 1st floor?

Will it be covered by wall? It is a dark line in the layout plan which is the same as dark lines of other walls.
December 1, 2009 at 6:34 PMUnknown: Hi,

I don't think anyone will disagree with privacy, including myself. But I think there is a minimum responsibility that we have to take care ourselves for our own privacy.

Putting up the wall on the Balcony may not solve the entire problem, because those staying right opposite the house can still see directly (without having to peep), unless you want to replace the entire access to the balcony by a concrete wall.

I think we need to balance the pros and cons, because NOTHING IN THIS WORLD PERFECT.
December 1, 2009 at 7:29 PM90mm F2.8 Macro: Viva:- 1st floor courtyard only has 1' perimeter railing, just like our staircase railing. so safety would be an issue unless we wall up like the nursery house.
December 1, 2009 at 9:53 PMSJJ: Dear ALL TYPE A owners,

If you wish to change the floor plan from Type A to Type B, so that to move the courtyard from original plan (opposite the staircase, which may cause serious safety concern especially for family with young children) to the plan as in type B (near to /beside the staircase), please write or fax to ideal as soon as possible. They need evidence to justify for the changes.
December 1, 2009 at 10:21 PMUnknown: Hi,

I am a type A buyer. I like the way how the present courtyard being designed at. Please don't ask Ideal to change it just simply because you either don't study carefully or did not have the intention to find out the already drawn floorplan in BLACK AND WHITE when you first made your booking. It is not fair to buyer that prefer "courtyard" concept from the beginning.
December 1, 2009 at 11:14 PMUnknown: Hi Sam,
I will send you my details shortly. Thanks for compiling concern for Type A. By the way, when you will send the list to developer ? They like force us to make payment by this Sat.

My concern :
1) Change Type A Coutyard location per Type B
2) Change whole Type A 1st floor layout plan per Type B
3) Covered backyard

For all Type A buyers, pls help to support Sam.

Does anyone know about land Fengshui there..is it good ? :D
December 2, 2009 at 12:13 AMUnknown: Hi all,
I have just sent you the draft copy. Please check and email back to me your input. There are a number of other requests that I got but I also have people who did not want those changes made. Therefore, I have only put in the ones most people can agree on for the change. I hope to be able to email the memo to the developer on Thursday after receiving all the feedback. If you did not receive my email on the draft, please email me at sam.loh1972@gmail.com

Thanks.
December 2, 2009 at 12:17 AMUnknown: Hi all,
I have emailed out the draft copy. If you have not received my email, please email me.

Once I got feedback on the draft copy, I plan to submit it to Ideal on Thursday.

I have a very busy day on Wednesday and might not be able to reply to everyone's feedback. But will try.
December 2, 2009 at 1:38 AMUnknown: Dear all,
I have sent out the draft to everyone. If you did not receive the email, please let me know.
Those who have received it, have a look a the draft and provide me your feedback asap.
I intend to submit the memo to the management on Thursday.
I'll send you the final copy once available.

Also, does anyone know what is the email address of the MD in Ideal? I only have the sales person's email.
December 2, 2009 at 8:20 AMUnknown: Hi Sam,

I got your draft copy. However, I would like my balcony the way it is (Half extended out). Do help update the draft.

Thanks!
December 2, 2009 at 9:12 AMUnknown: First of all, lets give Sam a big round applause for the effort.

I do agree with 1R. I like the way it is due to aesthetic and safety reason.
1) This design does not looks so boring and common. Many of my friends (some not purchaser) said they like the balcony very much. :)
2) Having more concrete slab after the railing seems to be better than a direct fall after the railing. If some naughty kids happen to climb over the railing, there is still concrete slab. Human tend to be more cautious at the edge of a fall. The railing of the balcony does not looks very strong, just in case some people lean on the railing and the railing give way, the rail and the person will only fall on the concrete slab. Just my 2 cents

Thanks
December 2, 2009 at 10:03 AMellikhoo: Hi all, I agree with Peter that I like Type A layout as the way it is.

Even if you move the courtyard location to as per Type B, there is also a risk for children to fall down because both type of courtyard design are also using the same railing on the 1st floor.

Regarding the space concern of the dining hall, i heard from my salesperson that Ideal are considering to fill up the Type A courtyard and cover it with tiles so that we can have a larger dining area.

By the way, i also don't like to have a toilet on top of my main entrance. So, i disagree to change Type A layout to Type B.

Thanks!
December 2, 2009 at 10:57 AMUnknown: Hi all,

There is a glass door connected between ground floor bedroom to backyard. Personally I don't really like it because some reasons:
1. think will not really use it as entrance to backyard since there is another door connected to backyard from kitchen area.
2. With the glass door, less space at backyard since cannot put stuffs nearby it.
3. Feel unsafe sleeping in the bedroom with a glass door which can see thru from outside (i'm girl)
4. Extra money to put grill and curtain on this glass door. Of course need another lock too :)

Due to this is strata title so i can't change this glass door to bricks. If the end comes with this glass door, will put a cupboard to cover it...just little concern from me.

Thanks.
December 2, 2009 at 11:17 AMUnknown: SECURITY CONCERN…..

Have anyone ask about the security surveillance and CCTV location across the gated areas? How many cameras?
Is there any intercom facility?
Will there be CCTV on the backplanes on some strategic corners?
Is it sufficient?
What is the type of CCTV used (high resolution)?
Can we have a link to the security CCTV at entrance in case some of our visitors come to see us and we need to verify it thru the intercom.
Since there is no alarm system install given (if I am not mistaken) can we link it to security control centre in case alarm is triggered?
In fact I almost suggesting letting resident to have access the CCTV remotely but concern others (hackers/robbers) can tap into it as well in future.

This is very important concern as once setup we can’t do much and it can cost a bomb to eat into the sinking fund for upgrade.
December 2, 2009 at 11:21 AMUnknown: Penang,
you have pointed out a very good point that I observed as well. Is it possible to have the developer to remove the door to become concrete wall (the door that connect to the backyard for the bedroom at groundfloor)?

Sam,
If there is no further objection from the blog, will you be able to add in this request? thanks.
December 2, 2009 at 11:58 AMAdi: Hi,

I like the balcony as it is. Please consider retracting the suggestion. The additional buffer of surface is needed for safety concern.

If you have children you would understand how important not to have railing on the edge.
December 2, 2009 at 12:44 PMUnknown: 1RforAll,

FYI, there is no CCTV, no intercom for this housing project.
December 2, 2009 at 1:07 PMUnknown: Hello Sam,

I suggest that you stay put with just 2 items which was first brought up, ie. Backyard cover and Utility room.

The longer we leave this thing going, someone will be proposing for Jacuzzi in the unit.

We must also understand that with a long list of request, each & everyone actually need to get their own architect to design, and then put his/her own dream house of their own.

Again, I'm emphasizing that nobody can be pleased in every aspects, because our life is just not perfect.
December 2, 2009 at 3:16 PM~VIVA~: I just signed the S&P.

There is a revised layout for type A. The courtyard is removed at ground floor. The void area (above courtyard) at 1st floor is reduced to half so that there is a larger family area.

Regarding the ultility room, it is up to owners to decide whether they want it or not. After S&P is signed, Ideal will send out forms to each owner. If you want the room, Ideal will build the room for your unit. If not, they just don't build it.

Another thing that I found out is that there is no covered roof for type A. After kitchen, it is just an open area. So, I would like to add another request here to ask Ideal to build covered roof for type A as well.
December 2, 2009 at 3:19 PMUnknown: All,

I'm keeping my unit and not letting it go for now. My sales person told me that booking transfer is not allowed unless it's for the family members. I do think it's a good thing that Ideal has this policy to curb the price from going up.

So, you don't have to send me email inquiries anymore. :)
December 2, 2009 at 4:53 PMUnknown: Just wonder whether we are at fish market. After buying the fish, we asked for ginger, onion, chilli and etc. Now we want A PERSONAL COOK to prepare our Dream Dinner.....aha.... and the CCTV to be served as desert as well....
December 2, 2009 at 5:18 PMUnknown: Great news on utility room! Letting buyers to decide whether want it or not. It's fair for everyone. Kudos for Ideal!
December 2, 2009 at 6:22 PM~VIVA~: We are helping IDEAL to build IDEAL house. :)
December 2, 2009 at 7:32 PMRookie: I agreed to feedback our concern to Ideal for better improvement. This is mega projects that Ideal plan to build in that area and i definitely believed they will try to produce the best quality on phase one projects. This is the golden opportunity for us to obtain our right as consumer.
December 2, 2009 at 9:33 PMUnknown: Hi, can you let me know how much is the pre-launch price after discount? Is type A n B same price ?
December 2, 2009 at 10:36 PMTrek: Well, 1RforAll, CCTV is something optional and not every owner would like to have these install near their unit for privacy reasons. If you have concern on security then you can always install high end anti-theft system to your own unit.

For developer who has promised surrounded wall and basic security guard house system i think the basic of G&G requirement has been met.

And after all is always you could drop the purchase. Free market rules. I heard there are over 1000 in waiting list. No point buying a unit which you have great concern on security.
December 2, 2009 at 11:22 PMDuaVillas: if no intercom, when your friends come how to inform guard to let them in?
December 3, 2009 at 6:43 AMUnknown: HI buyer,
Is ideal offer package like waive S&P,stamp duty, lawyer fees ?
December 3, 2009 at 10:21 AMUnknown: we already get informed intercom is not provided before booking.

Free legal fees for SPA and loan (disbusement only), 0% interest during construction.
December 3, 2009 at 10:24 AMUnknown: To Dua Villas - one solution is that upon completion. JMB can apply to Telekom to install a public phone near the Guard House. Your visitor can use the public phone to contact when they reach the guard house if they do not own a handphone.
December 3, 2009 at 10:31 AMDuaVillas: I was thinking about those living in units quite far away from the guard house and cannot come out personally to wait for their friends. Friends can contact us. But how do owners contact guard to allow their friends to come in? Or will the guards just allow anyone to sign in claiming any unit no. since there is no intercom to confirm with owner? I suppose since there are so many units the guard won't know who lives in there either. So can just walk in claiming to be resident.
December 3, 2009 at 11:27 AMUnknown: JMB can provide phone to guard house and program phone to be able to call local fix line only to control cost. Residents can call guard house to verify. Check out Gold Coast Condo and Lavinia. Lavinia is the best model so far and although they have intercom and etc. PPl still able to walk through easily. So if want tight security, residents have to help themselve i.e. all must cooperate with each other when it comes to rules implementation. Frankly we, malaysian is still not mature in community living because of self-interest but hopefully we can learn to improve everyday.
December 3, 2009 at 11:37 AMUnknown: Crime is more prevalent nowadays and down the road in next 3 years. That is one of the whole idea of gated and guarded…we want more security for our families.
Installing camera is very effective in reducing crime rates…..if u been to London u know what I mean. The “big brother” is watching u!
Even in Penang now (if u read TheStar yesterday) govt is spending big sum of money to monitor at certain location. I remember our former PM also allocated big sum for this…why? bcoz proven effective and help prevent and even solve many crimes. They cannot afford to place a policemen on every corner. We too can save cost on hiring too many guards and pay less maintenance fees. Covering such as big areas is no easy tasks.

Camera like this is good for crime prevention….even road users who like to break the red light will more alert on those location with camera. Fyi, not all unit have the camera mounted, they actually move it around but with the pole fixed there people will think twice or thrice to break the law. So actually if this is too costly they can think of doing so as well.

This is actually slowly becoming part and partial of modern infrastructure town planning. We cannot depend fully on people alone, we need system to complement it.

Why not ask for it upfront …..at least in some corners far from guardhouse.
December 3, 2009 at 12:44 PMJason: What ever been proposed, better think about maintenance cost. Bottom line, the residents will end up paying in maintenance fees. Maybe CCTV at strategic spots like entrance and exit could be sufficient if the walls are good enough (high enough). Is the perimeter area walled or fenced?
December 3, 2009 at 1:04 PMDuaVillas: Does anyone know whether there will be barrier entry using card? Krystal garden (same boss or boss' father)has intercom. Not sure if have card for entry. I-regency (also same boss) I am not sure if have intercom. At their entrance I don't see barrier requiring people to use access card.
December 4, 2009 at 12:51 AMUnknown: Dear buyers,
May i know for this 1 residence project, did Ideal property make the official launchingbefre open booking ? As i heards from my fren, even those who register earlier was not trigger when the project to be alunch.When he got know,all unit already fully booked.
Thie project really selling like hot cakes.
I believe the Ideal ppl still reserve many units.
Do your all know that surrounding of the projects there many still many project from the Koperasi Tunas ? So for the 2nd row (facing inside), need to look out,as some of the intermediate unit may facing the road junction or side of the house.
December 4, 2009 at 9:11 AMUnknown: i think the matt finish floor tiles for rooms and 1st floor does not look nice, i would prefer gloss finish one.

anyone agree with me ? can suggest this to the developer as well ?
December 4, 2009 at 9:23 AMDuaVillas: I agree. I also thought that when I saw the showhouse. The tiles feel rough to step on also.
December 4, 2009 at 10:14 AMUnknown: tze, have you been to the developer office? looks like you are blur blur when talking about this junction road thing.This scheme is G & G with perimeter wall surrounding the housing scheme - so no issue from neighboring lot junction or etc. Yr friend is right, the sales ppl informed that they did not have chance to inform the registrants as words of mouth marketing from their bankers, staffs and buyers is enough.
December 4, 2009 at 10:27 AMUnknown: the way Ideal do business like cheating ppl, only a fool will rush in to buy this project. Paying 600k wihtout knowing how actual the master plan or facilities look like ? Oh gosh. That whole piece of land is belong to Tunas Koperasi, surely this area will bcome 'Islamic' place with all those 'Islam' icon such as surau, mosque, school, pasar, low cost flat.
December 4, 2009 at 11:03 AMUnknown: GI Joe,
We know the master plan and facilities look like before booking. And we haven't paid 600K to Ideal so far. Fyi it's RM20K for booking. We sign SPA after the show house unit ready. We can walk out anytime if don't like the project. Please don't use your own theory to judge others.
Thanks.
December 4, 2009 at 11:18 AMUnknown: G.I. Joe. Dont look down on Tunas Keperasi. There are many members who are Chinese and rich one too. Kindly do your homework before telling others that this place will turn into Islamic Place. That is very insulting and i am also ashame if you are a Chinese commenting this. Other races are also human. Chinese, Malays or Indian also have nice and crook ppl.
December 4, 2009 at 12:02 PMUnknown: CL, there is no homework that you can study, this is part of the plan that not ur level can obtain the information.

why felt ashame when it has islamic icon in this development land ? I just share the information for potential buyers as a reference, did i say anything bad ?

furthermore feel only ashame if you have to eat ur own word for hiding the truth.

penang, thats great, after signed S&P u still can opt to walk out ? r u sure?
December 4, 2009 at 1:26 PM90mm F2.8 Macro: GI Joe: thx for your information....and agree to a certain degree that Ideal is not very transparent on the soft launch, booking schedule & etc....
now come back to your post...WHAT'S YOUR INTENTION? throwing your frust cos you didn't manage to buy one? Who gives you the right to judge these people in here a FOOL? and don't come talk to the folks in here about MASTER PLAN if you are not in this business....you are only making yourself a real joker in here.
December 4, 2009 at 1:39 PMUnknown: 90mm, joker ? no la, call me a singer, cos I like to sing song here when i free.

Didn able to get the unit ? nahh, there is many oppoturnity is coming on this land that I could grab on next phase. But the question is, whether i want to or not to. For this project, I will definately not to, cos of above the thing I have said.

if you think that you are so great n so proud to purchase this phase 1 projects and waiting to let it go at mayb RM1mil after it completed? How about u getting a unit in phase 2 also, so that I will not able to get it and I might thorw my frus over here lo
December 4, 2009 at 1:48 PMsinofi: Heard that Phase 2 waiting list is more than units built. No way anyone can get a unit if u were not an early registrant for it.
December 4, 2009 at 1:52 PMJason: Its funny to hear GI Joe comment. By the way its Malaysia after all, what makes u think you can run from Islamic icons. Every nook and crany are bound to have mosques or suraus. Name a place that dont have , and surely our friendly friends will set up one there to help service you. They had made it clear that if u dont like it , you can belah anytime. So you could join the migration geese and fly south or start a breeding farm to have more Joe's. :)
December 4, 2009 at 2:32 PMUnknown: the matt finish floor tiles for rooms and 1st floor does not look nice, i would prefer gloss finish one.

anyone agree with me ? can suggest this to the developer as well ?
December 4, 2009 at 4:51 PMUnknown: G.I Joe, go to Tunas Koperasi and get a copy of their annual report. You will be surprised to see the numbers of chinese members listed. Also check out the housing schemed developed by Koperasi, most of them are owned by the chinese as well for e.g. the terrace house behind The Star office. You are a racist and i am glad that you dont want to buy any of the units from this project. Better make sure you STAY AWAY!
December 4, 2009 at 6:06 PMRookie: Thanks to GI Joe's nasty commend and good fight backs from others. Everyone has their own choice, if u think that this project is not preferable, then u can just stay away from this community. Please try not to insult or spread invalid rumors.
December 4, 2009 at 7:39 PM90mm F2.8 Macro: i am neutral towards his comment on the project, but insulting the buyers is what turns me off. have some respect, bro.

heard phase 2 is fully booked...either the sales team has super saleman/woman or everyone seeing real estate has more potential than other investment or it is simply bcos 2 story?.
December 4, 2009 at 7:53 PMUnknown: why u people so freak out when i revealed that will be a big mosque part of the development ? scared of your million dollar resale dream dashed issit ? fast $$$$ dream gone. ouchhhh, that really pain in your xss. hahaha

since u guys so muhibah, then it shouldnt be any issue for the mosque to setup there, I just share the plan, I didnt said anything bad pun. pls point out which word belongs to racist ?

And some of you try hard to shut me down, nahh, the more you all trying to hide, the more I like to sing... I just love classic, hahahaha
December 4, 2009 at 8:48 PMconcern: Where got people selling oranges say his oranges not sweet or where got people buy things say that his belonging no quality. Off cause they want "face xi".

This kind of people cheating themself and don't know how to differentiate which one is good or bad. And lastly they thinking themself only.
December 5, 2009 at 12:39 AMUnknown: i agreed with concern
once you bought , you will have to tell all the good about it to promote your choice and protect your investment
but you can cheat people , you cannot cheat yourself

so big project but no master plan , yet you want peoples to believe 100% no problem , you thought peoples stupid meh

may be put it this way better , due to no master plan , RISK was higher than other project, so should think twice

ofcourse for those already bought , no other choice , no matter you feel good or not , just say it is perfect , ideal project . and then diam diam pray hard hard day and hight
December 5, 2009 at 4:56 PM~VIVA~: Listen to a fool singing song... Nah, nah, nah, nah, nah... :)
December 5, 2009 at 5:32 PMAltraz: If you look at the consecutive post by GI, concern & bang each supporting one another, might just be one person trying to kill this forum.

The more we comment on it, the more he will "sing". Lets just ignore whatever he says (Wish there was a mute), and focus on what's to be discussed- 1R.

Heard 2nd Phase will launch mid Dec. Gonna be another blast too. Anyone seen any launching yet?
December 5, 2009 at 6:41 PMUnknown: I would say pls appreciate all comments come from this forum, no matter good or bad....
If you guys chose cheating yourself by ignore all bad comments, no body can stop u..... :)
December 6, 2009 at 4:54 PMUnknown: HiCL,
How high is the perimeter wall fencing ?
I have the photocopy of lay out of the total project for that area.Ideal not only will built the dbl sty, there will be 3 sty at that area also. Your perimeter fencing willnot block your view from the junction or side of the house. You can further confirm with ideal if you dont believe. :)
December 6, 2009 at 11:49 PMsara: in fact there is a "surau' or mosque in between phase 1 & phase 2 in the plan, to cater the muslim community in the compensation area. There could be a 'school' too beside phase 2. beware those rows facing phase 2. checkout the level of monsoon drain whenever heavy rain, cause phase 2 might get hit if really a heavy heavy rain, when waters channels to the only monsoon drain around the area upstream or down.
December 7, 2009 at 12:03 AMUnknown: There will be a lot of compensation houses going to be build by Koperasi include the single terrace, semiD, bungalow, apartment, comunity hall, mosque nearby. So be aware when choosing the unit. From the project masterplan layout the inner 2nd row facing direction is not so nice,as most will facing the side of the compensation house or apartment.
December 7, 2009 at 1:08 PMUnknown: Hi Tze,

You mentioned that you have the master plan of the total project. Will you be able to send it to my email? crline.lin@gmail.com

Thanks.
December 7, 2009 at 2:19 PMUnknown: Hi Tze,

Would you please send a copy to me too?
Thanks a lot in advance.

TheOnePenang@gmail.com
December 7, 2009 at 2:50 PMAdi: I noticed some buyers brought their cameras during the opening of the show houses.

Care to share with everyone? Blog or something with the pictures. I cannot find any on the web.

Really appreciate it. Thanks.
December 7, 2009 at 10:52 PMoneresidence: Hi All,
does anyone know how many of the purchasers have signed up the SnP on n b4 the deadline 5/12/2009 ?
any more units available ?
December 7, 2009 at 11:06 PMAdi: I really wish that Ideal would reopen the show house again. No need sales personal there at the time being, just the security for a couple more days.

Since Ideal are promoting other phases, I don't see why they should extremely restricting the view, just open 1-2 days per week, is already fine.

Ideal folks, if you are reading ... please consider ya ... thanks!
December 7, 2009 at 11:20 PMYeoh: I heard that Ambank just approved for this project. Anyone got their package and please share. Thanks.
December 7, 2009 at 11:48 PMXheshito: I passed by the show unit last weekend, saw developer is hacking one of the show unit's wall...anyone knows what's going on?
December 8, 2009 at 10:18 AMUnknown: heard that they're going to replace current one intermediate bare show unit to become phase 2 show unit, since the size is same as phase 1. It's faster than building a new phase 2 show unit. Waiting to see for another phase 2 show house :)
December 8, 2009 at 7:34 PMUnknown: Those who got the Public Bank offer, could you please share the package deal?
December 8, 2009 at 8:59 PMAnonymous: Hi, my friend, Julie Ooi from HLB has informed me that her bank has started to accept One Residence case, offering BLR-2.3% as well. U may reach her at her cell (012-4824160). Good luck!
December 8, 2009 at 9:17 PMUnknown: PBB BLR-2.2
December 8, 2009 at 9:19 PMUnknown: I have posted some pictures.
December 8, 2009 at 10:30 PMUnknown: Note: Last Picture Type A is digital edited picture not actual unit.
December 9, 2009 at 12:47 AMJason: What is Ambank Rate?
Is it better than BLR - 2.3%
December 9, 2009 at 9:35 AMXheshito: Hi Tze,

Would you please send a copy of masterplan to me at chindidadi@hotmail.com

Thanks.
December 9, 2009 at 11:33 AMKY: This is good project, land area quite big 22 x 75, but did everybody know that this is Strata Title land? better check with your lawyer what is the advantages and disadvantages.
December 9, 2009 at 12:09 PMVoice: Wow, the current Phase 1 Type B show unit is converted into Phase 2 show unit ?? Which means both Phase 1 and 2 are quite similar, but I heard that Phase 2 pricing has gone up almost 70k !!

Honestly, I had lots of reservation against this developer given the past projects, but it seems like Ideal is now trying hard to turn into a new leave. Their show house (and even more with the new Phase 2 pricing) has create a lot of excitement among the Phase 1 purchasers, and I do hope that Ideal will not disappoint them again this round... Too bad, my reservation has put me out of this game :(

KY, I've not seen any residential project in Malaysia with high maintenance facilities (such as swimming pool) which is NOT strata title. It's a common sense, and I don't think anyone will not missed this, unless for the ignorant.. hehehe
December 9, 2009 at 2:40 PMKY: I'm not developer's competitor, I'm one of the buyer, just becuase of this project is Strata Title Land and not Individual Title I drop my plan. Believe it or not is up to you..
December 9, 2009 at 3:49 PMXheshito: Hi KY,

Do you mind to share here what are the advantages and disadvantages for the "strata title". I think that way sounds more constructive. Thanks.
December 9, 2009 at 4:08 PMKY: Hi Didadi
I'm not a lawyer nor good in land issue, but some people confuse about Strata Title and Free Hold land. I just suggest you get advice from Lawyer then he/she will adivce you. Southbay project also one of Strate Title issue. Remember you are buying landed property, but you will be squeeze by developer when time come. I'm not putting sand on the rice, it's all depend on buyer.
December 9, 2009 at 5:08 PMsinofi: http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/409235

Read this thread from another forum. It should explain clearly.
December 9, 2009 at 5:30 PMUnknown: Didadi, allow me to describe what I know about Strata Title in our layman terms...

1) Strata Title means you need to pay maintenance fee, but Individual Title (Freehold or Leasehold) do not (unless it's a guarded community like E&O, SP Setia, or even Jesselton Heights);

2) Why the "guarded community" needs to pay maintenance? Because the community as a whole hire guards for added security/safety.

3) Why the "Strata Title" (regardless whether Landed or high-rise) has to pay maintenance? Because you also have Guards, besides all the facilities (club house, pool, gym, etc...). On top of that, the service road WITHIN the strata title community are known as "common properties", which are commonly owned by all the parcel owners, NOT the council nor local government. That's why, more reason why maintenance fee and sinking fund are needed to maintain all these "common properties".

4) Strata Tile
a) Some advantages: facilities, safety, PLUS there is a Strata Tile Act in place (whether the Act is complete or the enforcement are different issues etc...
b) Some disadvantages: need to pay maintenance & sinking fund, highly dependent on the Management AND more importantly the teamwork within the community;

5) Guarded community
Advantage: Added safety/security (only);
Disadvantage: Similar to Strata Title with Maintenance payment. BESIDES, there is NOT Act to govern this, in other words, nothing can be done if some owner(s) opt not to pay;

6) Individual Title
Advantage: Only pay for Quit Rent and Assessment, which Strata and Guarded also need to pay anyway;
Disadvantage: YOU TAKE CARE FOR YOURSELF !!

The choice is for individual... Like I said, NOTHING in this world is perfect.
December 9, 2009 at 11:01 PMXheshito: Thanks for this informative sharing....
December 10, 2009 at 8:54 AMJason: Looking at what Jeremy shared, it makes sense for STrata title for maintenance of this property.

Its even better than SPI guarded community where if some refuse to pay, the whole guarded system will fail.
December 10, 2009 at 9:28 AMUnknown: Jason, you're right to certain extend, but both Guarded & Strata maintenance will fall when people refuse to pay. Only diff is that for Strata, those who refuse to pay will still have to pay up when he/she transfers the ownership under the Strata Act (unless the person is not selling the property AND can stay alive forever). On the other hand, for Guarded, there is NOTHING anybody can do.

If you look at KL, most people are opting Gated (which means Strata, not Guarded) for add-on security/safety. Penang is starting to follow the trend. That's why Mah Sing always introduce the SouthBay as "Landed with Condo facilities".

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